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s-stoicism and religious thinkers and paleo observe a sense of order and rational structure in the universe
Ca-Dawkins and Darwin, order in nature is random chance
S-aquinas- we all aim for goodness and an apparent good is just a failed attempt of a real good
Ca-real and apparent goods are a little naive eg. Rapists don’t have a natural inclination towards the good
S-Karl barths argument fails because original sin at most can diminish our inclination towards the good, not destroy it
Ca-impossible for fallen human reason to ever be capable of acting in accordance with the good, creates human concept of the good not gods
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