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True or False פת הבאה בכיסנין is a type of bread.
true
There is a 3 way debate as to the definition of פת הבאה בכיסנין. Explain each opinion and give an example.
A. pie, baked with another substance
B. cake, change the dough intoa sweet
C. it has crunch, cracker or pretzel
If one eats a כזית worth of food from any of the above 3 types, a מזונות is made. True or False
true
If one eats chocolate cake, and it is only one כזית worth, one makes a מזונות because there is no doubt that this is פת הבאה בכיסנין. True or False
False
What is commonly referred to as Mezonos bread? Why is it called that?
rolls that are made using fruit juice, apple juice or orange juice, and sephardim believe they are mezonot while we believe that its motzia
its named htat because people think its pas haba bekishnin
Why do most contemporary פוסקים hold that Mezonos bread is really המוציא bread?
They are not as sweet as cake, so they wouldnt be ps habah bkisnin
Under what circumstance is פת הבאה בכיסנין a המוציא?
You eat the amount that a average person would be satisfied by
קביעת סעודה is determined by
what makes the average person שובע
Case - Brad eats 3 NY slices of pizza and is not satisfied. What Bracha should he have made?
Netilat yadayim, hamotzia and bench
Mitch eats 1/4 slice of pizza with other food and is satisfied. What ברכה ראשונה should be made?What ברכה אחרונה should be made?
Mezonot, al mechiya
Matt eats one and a half slices of pizza with a nice portion of salmon and a large bowl of soup and is not satisfied. What is the appropriate ברכה ראשונה?
ha motzia
Bob eats one and a half slices of pizza and is not satisfied. What is the appropriate ברכה ראשונה?
mezonot
Bob eats one and a half slices of pizza and is satisfied. What is the appropriate ברכה ראשונה?
hamotzia
Eric sat down to 1.5 slices of pizza and then changed his mind wants 1.5 more. Does he wash? Does he make המוציא? Does he recite ברכת המזון?
No, no, yes
Eric sat down to 1 slice of pizza and then changed his mind wants 3 more. Does he wash? Does he make המוציא? Does he recite ברכת המזון?
Yes, yes, yes
פת הבאה בכיסנין eaten for satiation after regular bread does it require a מזונות?
no
30.פת הבאה בכיסנין eaten for dessert, delight, after regular bread does it require a מזונות?
yes
Chocolate cake eaten for dessert - does it require a מזונות?
no, Because its not definite that its bava kisnin, we already opinion a says it has to beaked with something else and opinion c says that it must have a crunch, and since we already made a a bracha of hamotzia and we thnk its bread
Does apple pie need מזונות?
Yes, Apple pie fits into two categories: 1 - baked with another substance, 2 - the crust is sweet. Therefore the custom is to make a mezonot
Grains
Wheat, barley, rye, oats, and spelt
Pas haba bkesnin blessing
mezonot, no netliat yadayim, with tht ebracha after it being mechiyah
If he eats a meal that would make others full
motzia and yadayim
If he eats a meal that would make him full but not other
mezonot and mechiya
If he makes mezonot first because he thinks he will eat a little but eats amount that others would see as a meal but isnt satisfied
hamazon
If eating pas habah bekisnin For desert
mezonot
For satiation
no
If its cake and desert
no bracha because we dont know if its pas habah bekisnin