To Catch a Chicken - podcast notes

Introduction

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Interview Segment: Jimmy Nix and Willie Easter

  • Background
    • Interview conducted by Caitlin Esh with Jimmy Nix and Willie Easter, former chicken catchers.
    • The discussion takes place in Mississippi, prior to the pandemic.
  • Discussion on Daily Work Life
    • Description of chicken catching:
    • Jimmy and Willie discuss catching live chickens from farms to transport them to slaughterhouses.
    • Difficulty of the job highlighted: "Catching chickens that don't want to be caught is harder than you might think."
    • Methods of catching: some workers grab one bird, others two or three. Jimmy could hold up to seven big birds or 12 small ones.
    • Physical wear of the job:
    • Hands often bear scars and calluses from the work; severe wear over time.
    • Jimmy discusses the method of using bleach on hands to harden them against pain and tenderness.
    • Willie shares his use of Epsom salts and humorously recalls that some workers suggest urinating on their hands for relief.

Transition to the Subcontracting Discussion

  • Shifts in Employment
    • Introduction of the subcontracting practice in poultry work.
    • Jimmy recalls a pivotal moment when their team was informed via van ride that their roles would now be handled by contractors.
    • Kerfuffle about the meeting and whispers among workers about impending change.
    • The sudden alteration in their jobs:
    • Personal anecdotes about how casual yet serious the topics discussed were.

Context on Employment Changes in Poultry Industry

  • Commentary from Caitlin Esh
    • Overview of how subcontracting has shifted employment dynamics.
    • Previous discussions regarding janitorial services predating this segment.

Jimmy’s Employment Journey

  • Early Experiences
    • Jimmy Nix started at 17, working at a chicken processing plant, detailing impressions of his first job.
  • Work description at Cook Foods:
    • Initial hands-on experience included hanging chickens on shackles.
    • Mention of the physical effects of the work and the industry's demands.
Changes Post-Subcontracting
  • Transitioning from Cook Foods to Contractors
    • After contracting decisions, Jimmy was faced with the choice to continue catching chickens with less pay or take a position at the plant to retain benefits.
    • Consequences of losing employment status with Cook Foods:
    • Health benefits vanished due to changes in employer status as employees transitioned to subcontractor status.

Key Points on Workforce and Economical Conditions

  • The Role of Chicken Catchers in Local Economy
    • Economic climate in Scott County, Mississippi, noted with approximately 20% of families living in poverty (twice the national average).
    • Poultry serves as the main economic driving force—indicative of a stress-tested labor market.

Job Experience and Conditions

  • Working Conditions Described by Jimmy
    • Description of grueling, filthy job conditions:
    • Nighttime work when chickens are slower and easier to catch.
    • The reality of being elbow-deep in filth and chicken waste, and exposure to harmful ammonia in dust.
    • Physical and psychological demands outlined:
    • Strong physical work requires steely resolve; mental perseverance crucial.
  • Impact of Conditions on Workers
    • Regular discussion on wages, benefits, and job satisfaction. Jimmy felt burdened to justify continued effort due to decreasing pay scale post-subcontracting.
Wage Changes and Realities
  • Payment Structure
    • Explanation of piece work: paid per load rather than hourly.
    • Transition from making $10 per load (earning $100-$150 per shift) to $60 under new subcontractor arrangements.
  • Commentary on Minimum Wage Laws
    • Mississippi's lack of state minimum wage law; federal minimum wage is stagnant since 2009 at $7.25/hour.
    • Observations that contracted catchers frequently earn below minimum wage.
Real Life Instances of Wage Violations
  • Personal Accounts of Wage Calculation Issues
    • Jimmy share frustrations regarding underpayment despite industry regulations protecting against wage violations.

Broader Implications

  • Examination of the Subcontracting Model in Poultry
    • David Weil notes that subcontracting can dampen overall earnings for workers due to increased margins for subcontractors competing for contracts.
    • The terms "fissuring" coined to describe the fractured labor landscape in industries reliant on outsourcing.
Historical Reference to Subcontracting Rationale
  • Overview of Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (IRCA)
    • Outlined implications of IRCA on labor dynamics and the emergence of subcontracting practices amidst concerns from employers regarding undocumented labor.
Conclusion
  • Summary of the ongoing struggle between primary poultry companies and subcontracted labor workers.
  • Anticipation of future discussions on how chicken catchers are fighting back against overlooked employment injustices in agriculture.