Settlement Discussion Notes

Initial Discussion

  • Russell represents the owners, and Alex is the manager.

  • Erica represents the plaintiff, Joe Hand Promotions .

  • The owners are new to business and unaware of commercial licensing for broadcasting events.

  • They paid for the fight, assuming it covered their situation.

Business Details

  • The establishment is a small, restaurant-style hookah lounge with 40 seats.

  • It's not a high-capacity venue.

  • The business is only a year old and still trying to break even.

  • The owners want to demonstrate that showing the fight didn't result in significant profit.

Understanding the Violation

  • Erica acknowledges the difference between non-willful and willful violations.

  • Even though the owners paid for the fight residentially instead of commercially, it's still a violation.

  • Johann Promotions sells commercial licenses to protect their business model.

  • The owners argue they couldn't find the specific commercial license option from Johann Promotions when purchasing the fight.

Terms of Service and Account Types

  • The violation stems from using a basic cable account and personal streaming service accounts (Netflix, Hulu, etc.) in a commercial setting.

  • These services' terms of service are for personal, not business, use.

  • Commercial accounts with cable/satellite providers are required to legally show content in a business.

  • These providers would block pay-per-view events and direct businesses to commercial promoters like Johann Promotions.

  • The issue arises because streaming services don't re-verify user status (personal vs. business) after the initial signup.

Mitigation and Future Intentions

  • The owners want Johann Promotions to consider their situation as a new business and offer affordable rates for future events.

  • They are willing to share POS data to prove their limited profits from the fight night.

  • They seek a long-term relationship for future broadcasts.

POS System Data

  • Alex will present the POS system numbers to demonstrate the actual profit made during the fight.

  • The owners offer full transparency and access to their POS system for verification.

  • Erica notes that actual access to the POS system is rare unless litigation occurs.

Commercial Fight Costs

  • Commercial fight licenses vary in price based on the fighters and the venue's fire code occupancy.

  • Davis vs. Roach fight would've cost around 10711071 for a commercial license.

  • Popular fighters like Canelo can range from 25002500 to 60006000 depending on establishment size.

  • UFC fights have yearly subscription costs.

Profitability Analysis

  • Net sales during the fight were 3427.753427.75, with gross sales at 3771.503771.50.

  • The profit during the fight period was approximately 10481048.

  • The cost of the license would have negated any profit.

Subscriber Benefits and Competition

  • Johann Promotions' clients can charge cover fees due to their commercial licenses.

  • Businesses that illegally show fights create unfair competition and can be reported via Barfinder.com.

  • Barfinder.com lists legal establishments for viewers.

  • Subscribing to all fights versus ordering individual events depends on customer base and potential revenue.

Clarification of Profit Calculation

  • The owners clarify that they made around 34273427 during the fight.

  • After accounting for service charges, labor, liquor, food, and hookah costs, they profited about 10501050.

  • They paid 9090 each for three screens to show the fight, totaling 270270.

Future Compliance

  • The owners acknowledge they will obtain the necessary licenses for future fights.

  • They emphasize this was their first violation and that they have all other necessary licenses (hookah, food, liquor).

  • They mistakenly assumed the rules were similar to broadcasting FIFA World Cup matches, which doesn't require a license.

World Cup Licensing

  • World Cup broadcasts are handled by Integrated Sports Media.

  • Erica offers to provide contact information for Integrated Sports Media.

  • She advises contacting her to verify if an event requires a separate license.

Event Timing and Advertising

  • The decision to show the fight was made last minute.

  • The lounge is primarily a hookah lounge, and the fight was intended as additional entertainment.

Insurance Coverage

  • Erica asks if the owners have general liability insurance to cover potential intellectual property rights violations.

  • The owners currently only have minimal insurance coverage due to being a new business.

Plea for Leniency

  • Erica agrees to convey their situation to Johann Promotions, emphasizing their new business status and lack of intent to circumvent the law.

  • The owners can provide proof that this is their first business venture in the US.

  • They want Johann Promotions to consider their limited profit and the potential impact of a 25,00025,000 settlement, which could force them to close.

  • They express shock at the 25,00025,000 demand.

Settlement Authority and Litigation History

  • Johann Promotions previously pursued lawsuits without attempting pre-litigation settlements.

  • After COVID, they authorized Erica's firm to settle cases for 25,00025,000, avoiding costly court proceedings.

  • Any settlement amount below 25,00025,000 requires client approval.

Desired Future Relationship

  • The owners reiterate their desire for a continued, lawful business relationship with Johann Promotions at an affordable price point.

  • Erica will meet with Johann Promotions to discuss the matter and provide a response shortly.