11/5: Soci 420 - Nations and Nationalism

Overview of Nations and Nationalism

  • Transitioning from revolutions and social movements to nations and nationalism.

    • Discussion structured as:

    • Introduction to Eric Hobsbawm's reading.

    • Overview of Ernest Gellner's reading.

    • Group discussions planned.

Eric Hobsbawm

  • Eminent British historian known for work on capitalism, nationalism, socialism, and general history.

    • Notorious for writing about the long nineteenth century (1789-1914).

    • Academic positions include the University of London and the Mutual of New York.

    • Known for his humor in writing.

Key Work: Nationalism since 1780

  • Published in 1990, titled "Nationalism since 1780: Program, Myth, Reality."

  • Makes the argument that the concept of the nation is a recent invention (eighteenth century).

  • Notes that nationalism fully emerged in the nineteenth century.

    • Became a significant motivator for various movements, including geopolitics, wars, genocides, and liberation efforts.

Definition of a Nation
  • Hobsbawm acknowledges the difficulty in defining a nation.

  • Groups definitions into two categories:

    1. Objective definitions: Criteria-based.

    • Common criteria include language, territory, culture, history, and ethnicity.

      • Example from Stalin (1912): "A nation is a historically evolved stable community of language, territory, economic life, and psychological makeup, manifested in a community of culture."

    • Example: The Italian nation recognized by common language and territory.

    1. Subjective definitions: Based on self-identification.

    • If people believe they constitute a nation, they are treated as such regardless of objective measures.

    • Advantages: More adaptable and fluid definition but criticized for being tautological (a circular definition).

      • Challenge: It explains nations only after they are formed, lacks predictive power.

Critique of Definitions
  • Hobsbawm argues both definitions (objective and subjective) fail to adequately capture the essence of nations.

  • Claims the fluidity and historical context of nations cannot fit into rigid criteria.

  • Concludes that he will adopt an agnostic approach, indicating that neither definition is wholly satisfactory.

  • Adopts a more subjective treatment for analytical purposes:

    • Notes, "Any sufficiently large body of people whose members regard themselves as members of a nation will be treated as such."

Gellner's Definition of Nationalism
  • Gellner's definition summarizes nationalism as:

    • "Primarily a principle that holds that the political and national unit should be congruent."

    • Emphasizes a political duty to one's nation that supersedes other obligations.

Primary Principles of Nationalism (Hobsbawm)
  1. Political & national congruence: The political body must align with the nation.

  2. Nationalism before nations: Concept of nations is secondary to nationalism; nationalism actively creates nations.

    • Quote by Gellner: "Nationalism creates nations."

  3. Dependence on technology: Formation of nations is contingent on technological and economic conditions (e.g., mass literacy requires mass education).

  4. Dual analysis of national identity: Consider both state leaders’ perspectives and ordinary people's perspectives.

    • Recognizes that national identification can evolve rapidly over time.

  5. Development of national consciousness: Uneven among different social groups and regions.

  6. Historians' neutrality: Historians cannot adopt nationalistic views as it requires uncritical acceptance of historical narratives that may not be accurate.

Nationalist Movements and Sentiment (Gellner)
  • National sentiment: The feeling of dissatisfaction due to a failure to achieve national congruence or satisfaction when it is fulfilled.

  • Nationalist movement: Activism driven by the sentiment regarding national congruence.

  • Violations of the nationalist principle include:

    • Political boundaries excluding a nation.

    • Non-nationals present within a state unaligned with the nation's identity.

    • Nations historically divided across multiple states (e.g., Kurds).

Nationalism and the State
  • States are essential for nationalism; nationalism presupposes the existence of states.

  • Quote: "Nationalism emerges only in the milieu in which the existence of the state is already very much taken for granted."

  • Highlights the need for conclusions that align the definitions of nationalism and nation with historical and social contexts.

Conclusion and Discussion Points

  • Engages students to reflect on the definitions discussed and how different formulations might resonate with their perspectives on nations.

  • Prompts for future discussions to explore further readings, including Gellner's perspectives.

  • Set to examine whether nationalism is fundamentally good, bad, or neutral, with a growing recognition of the complexity surrounding modern national identities.